VITAMIN C IV THERAPY AND CANCER CARE WITH DR. STEVE RALLIS | E049 PODCAST

LISTEN TO THIS EPISODE

ABOUT THE GUEST

Dr. Steve Rallis is a leading expert in integrative oncology and wellness, widely recognized for his pioneering work in IV vitamin C therapy as a complementary cancer treatment. With degrees in chiropractic and naturopathic medicine, he combines evidence-based complementary therapies with traditional oncology approaches.

As the Chief Medical Officer for The DRIPBaR Canada and a founding member of the American IV Association’s Scientific Advisory Board, Dr. Rallis works to expand access to IV therapies for overall wellness and chronic disease management. His book, When Oranges Become Apples: What Your Oncologist Won’t Tell You About IV Vitamin C and Cancer, challenges traditional narratives and empowers patients to make informed decisions. Renowned for his research and thought leadership, Dr. Rallis remains dedicated to advancing patient-centered, holistic healthcare through his advocacy, teaching, and active community involvement.

Dr. Rallis’ Book:
https://www.amazon.com/When-Oranges-Become-Apples-Oncologist/dp/B0DFKRRYV3

Dr. Rallis. Website:
https://www.wellnessdoctor.ca/

Dr. Rallis’ LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/drsteverallis/

Dr. Rallis’ Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/wellnessdoctor.ca/

George Stroumboulis sits down with Dr. Steve Rallis in Athens, Greece on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast to talk about all things health, cancer care, Vitamin C IV Therapy, his new book, olive oil production, culture and so much more.

“I stopped pursuing business goals and I decided to focus on the art of medicine. Didn’t matter where it would lead, all I knew was that I wanted to be better, I wanted to learn more.”
— Dr. Steve Rallis

MEDIA RELATED TO THE EPISODE

George Stroumboulis sits down with Dr. Steve Rallis in Athens, Greece on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast to talk about all things health, cancer care, Vitamin C IV Therapy, his new book, olive oil production, culture and so much more.

On the Invigorate Your Business Podcast, George Stroumboulis meets with Dr. Steve Rallis in Athens, Greece, to dive into topics on health, cancer care, Vitamin C IV therapy, his latest book, olive oil production, and Greek culture.

George Stroumboulis sits down with Dr. Steve Rallis in Athens for the Invigorate Your Business Podcast, exploring health insights, cancer treatment, Vitamin C IV therapy, his new book, and the art of olive oil production.

In Athens, George Stroumboulis interviews Dr. Steve Rallis on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast, covering health, cancer care, Vitamin C IV therapy, his new book, and Greek cultural traditions.

George Stroumboulis connects with Dr. Steve Rallis in Athens on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast, talking all things health, innovative cancer therapies, his recent book, and Greece’s rich olive oil heritage.

Enjoying dinner with a view after we recorded our podcast episode. Sitting with George’s parents (Evangels and Dimitra) and Dr. Steve Rallis’ son (Marcus).

In When Oranges Become Apples, Dr. Steve Rallis takes readers on a compelling clinical journey that explains how vitamin C, when administered intravenously at high doses, changes its nature from a potent antioxidant to powerful anti-cancer therapy.

ABOUT THE “INVIGORATE YOUR BUSINESS” PODCAST

The Invigorate Your Business with George Stroumboulis podcast features casual conversations and personal interviews with business leaders in their respective fields of expertise. Crossing several industry types and personal backgrounds, George sits down with inspiring people to discuss their business, how they got into that business, their path to the top of their game and the trials and tribulations experienced along the way. We want you to get inspired, motivated, and then apply any advice to your personal and professional lives. If there is at least one piece of advice that resonates with you after listening, then this podcast is a success. New episodes weekly. Stream our show on Spotify, YouTube, Apple, Amazon and all other platforms.

ABOUT GEORGE STROUMBOULIS

George Stroumboulis is an entrepreneur to the core, having launched several ventures across multiple industries and international markets. He has held senior-level positions at progressive companies and government institutions, both domestically and internationally, building an extensive portfolio of business know-how over the years and driving profit-generating results. George’s ability to drive real change has landed him in several media outlets, including the front page of the Wall Street Journal. George was born in Toronto, Canada to his Greek immigrant parents. Family first. Flying over 300,000 miles a year around the world puts into perspective how important family is to George’s mental and emotional development. With all this travel to global destinations, the longest he stays even in the most far-out destination is 3 days or less - a personal rule he lives by to make sure he is present and involved in family life with his wife and three daughters. To read about George’s global travels, stay connected with his blog section.

FULL SHOW TRANSCRIPT

George Stroumboulis: 0:00

Welcome to another episode of Invigorate your Business with George Stroumboulis. On today's episode, I get to sit down with Dr Steve Rallis here in Athens, Greece. Dr Rallis is an internationally recognized authority on IV, vitamin C and the supportive treatment of cancer. He's a passionate clinician, researcher and educator. Dr Rallis also helps oversee one of the largest IV practice groups in Canada as its chief medical officer. We get to jump into his book, which is called when Oranges Become Apples, and he's going to talk about everything we need to know about this IV therapy and dealing with cancer. So enjoy this episode starting now. My name is George Stroumboulis and I'm extremely passionate about traveling the world, meeting new people and learning about new businesses. Join me as I sit down with other entrepreneurs to learn about their journeys. This episode of Invigorate your Business starts now. So we are sitting here in Athens, Greece, amazing, amazing, with a fellow Canadian we had to meet over here.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:11

Amazing.

George Stroumboulis: 1:11

It's kind of worked out great. We missed each other a couple weeks ago here. Got to come back. We're sitting down. Gave me more time to read your book. We're going to jump into that, but I'm sitting with Dr Steve Rallis. I'm going to read a little intro for the listeners.

George Stroumboulis: 1:24

Okay, we're going to jump into that, but I'm sitting with Dr Steve Rallis. I'm going to read a little intro for the listeners. Okay, we're going to talk in detail about a lot of things about health, about diet, about cancer. We're going to talk about just things that we can do better as humans. To try to live longer is essentially what we're doing your entrepreneurial background, stuff that you've done. We're going to talk about farming in Greece and olive oil production and just kind of that legacy that you're carrying on Just really cool stuff.

George Stroumboulis: 1:48

So Dr Steve Rallis is a distinguished expert in integrative medicine and oncology, renowned for his work in intravenous IV vitamin C therapy as a complementary approach to cancer treatment. He holds degrees in both chiropractic and naturopathic medicine, having earned his undergraduate degree in biological sciences from Western University in London, ontario, canada, his chiropractic degree from Parker University in Dallas, texas, and his naturopathic medical degree from the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine. He is also the chief medical officer for Drip Bar Canada. He's a speaker, an author, an advocate for just being healthy, living a healthy life. He's a farmer, as we said, and he's probably one of the best good-looking doctors around. So welcome and thank you for joining the podcast.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 2:37

Thanks, george. This is amazing to be here, and I sort of said this. I filmed a little Instagram sort of story on my way here. To do this in Athens with you is just so cool. It's so cool and you know, we've been discussing this for a while and, interestingly, I had dinner last night with my cousin Kostas Triantos, peter's brother. Okay, small world, right? Yes, so, and you probably didn't even know that Peter was my cousin.

George Stroumboulis: 3:07

I didn't know until we were having drinks with Peter before the episode and he had mentioned his connection with this uncle, that he loved up by what was. Yeah, and I'm like who? And then when he said that I'm like, come on, that's my brother-in-law's buddy, it was just crazy Full circle.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 3:23

It is crazy.

George Stroumboulis: 3:23

But this isn't about Peter, this is about you, right? Obviously, I've known you over the years, right? You, your family, and in my household, in my parents' household, it's always been like a Dr Steve, dr Steve, dr Steve. And it's always, you know, my parents go up and my mom, you know, pulled her back out, or my dad has this and he's, and it's always okay, let's ping Steve, let's go to Dr Steve, let's see. And you've always been that, like, just in our household, guiding medical, you know light for our family, right, including my sister's family and my brother-in-law like it's just incredible and you always have this approach on yeah, I'm going to fix it, I'm going to help you guys, I'm going to give you the information you make your best choice. So it's just really cool seeing what you've been able to do and do over the years. So thank you for that.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 4:08

Oh, my pleasure, man, your family is uh, I've said this a million times they're beautiful people. I really appreciate that Just like yeah, your mom and dad give me the woman. Fuzzies like just beautiful people.

George Stroumboulis: 4:21

I really appreciate that. Maybe we'll grab a bite to eat after this. So I flew in today LA, new York, new York, athens and on my flight from LA to New York I had your book with me and I've been sitting on it for a few weeks, right, and I was excited to read about it. I've been seeing all the press seeing you hitting the road in New York and going all over the States with your son Marcus, who's here Shout out in New York, and going all over the States with your son Marcus, who's here shout out, just really seeing that dynamic father-son which we could talk about later as well like really cool.

George Stroumboulis: 4:52

But the book when Oranges Become Apples I was pushing it off personally because I'm not a medical geared person, in that I never try to learn about medical procedures. When I hear stuff I'll always call my sister and be like hey, can you dumb this down for me? And she's not a doctor, right. So this one I was putting off because it just kind of scared me talking about cancer. Then you go down that rabbit hole of like do I have it? I don't even want to know. But I started and after the second chapter really just like pulled me in, because now I'm like oh okay, I learned vitamin C IV versus oral, and what does that mean? And then the next step, and then preventative, and then this, and then by the end of it, I'm like that was a very easy read, right? So we could talk more into detail. But rewind, talk about just your medical journey, because you have covered a lot of bases over the years.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 5:40

Yeah, it's hard to even contemplate from where I started to where I am now. You know sort of function as a chief medical officer for a large company and you know having to practice the focuses on integrative oncology, to the research that we do, to we are one of the only clinics that does integrative medical rotations for medical students and to think of where we started, um, and how the journey is so circuitous. And you know, one thing I always like to say is we always overestimate what we can accomplish in one year but but wildly underestimate what we can accomplish in 10. And there was a point in the growth of the practice where I stopped pursuing business goals and I decided to focus on the art, the art of medicine. Didn't matter where it would lead, all I knew was that I wanted to be better, I wanted to learn more.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 6:45

Wherever I met a roadblock, I would either engage in education or further training. And if that meant going back for another four years of medical school, if that meant doing a prescriptive authority or becoming or learning how to do IV therapies, it didn't matter. I wanted to jump those hurdles because I felt the demand and I felt it first actually in my heart, you know, and I was led when I stopped sort of focusing on goals and that, you know, the practice stopped being about, you know, setting goals and accomplishing goals. It was really about treating people and as my expertise grew, the level of sickness of people that I was seeing also sort of that demand increased.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 7:29

And how I got to integrative oncology. You know, I try to articulate that a little bit in the book but I really don't, because it's hard to sort of pinpoint how I got there, right, you know, and but ultimately this book is based on the research that we did with Trinity School of Medicine and we had accomplished, we had sort of done a large study on looking at all of the meta-analyses of assessing IV vitamin C with chemotherapy and there's so much ignorance surrounding integrative therapies and supportive cancer care, like in general, but when it translates to cancer, the blind spot is massive and the issue is that people's lives are really at risk and there's so much that you can do and people have no idea. And the book, um, I wrote in six weeks.

George Stroumboulis: 8:27

I wanted to ask you that that's six weeks.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 8:29

I wrote in six weeks. Now we had already accomplished the research, we'd already done the research, the literature reviews. You know that was fresh in my head and but I wrote it. I spent most of the time actually on editing. I wrote this I actually wrote 290 pages in six weeks, but edited it down so that everyone could understand it in really simple terms. And you know, when I originally started too, there was friends that said why don't you get someone just to help you write it Like you're busy? Yeah, get your ghostwriter crank it out Like you've already done the research.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 9:04

They can kind of just tell them what to do. They can piece it together. And I said I can't. The story has to be mine, because only I'm sitting across from the patient telling them things in ways that they can understand. And when you articulate that and then they don't understand, you re-articulate it and then you see the lights go on. Each chapter and each paragraph and each sentence really has been vetted. It's been vetted through sort of clinical practice where you can sort of share an idea and it makes sense.

George Stroumboulis: 9:33

Can I give you an example of what made sense with me? Early on in the book you gave an example about chemotherapy kind of go and kill everything, and the analogy you gave it was basically throwing a grenade in a room of a hundred people hoping to kill the one terrorist. It was something along that I probably butchered it?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 9:48

No, you didn't, you got it.

George Stroumboulis: 9:49

But for me I'm like, oh okay, now I get it. You just kind of go in there. That's how ignorant I am, at 43 years old, just about this. And the other reason why I was saying I didn't jump into this book, it's because most people, when they're faced with like stresses and bad news, that's when we all scramble, like what do I do? What's the quick fix? Right, touch wood. I haven't been in that situation and hopefully not. But yeah, the the way you break it down was great and then you know the stories and then when you were in Ecuador and just breaking it down really helps it resonate with your average reader, which is myself.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 10:20

Yeah, and one thing, can I share some some of the stories? Yeah, please, people really don't understand how IV therapies work. So one of the benefits of having become the chief medical officer for Drip Bar Canada is that I was asked to be on the sort of founding scientific advisory board for the American IV Association where we write basically policy papers for all different states, nursing boards, licensing boards, to help explain IV vitamin therapy and IV medicine just in general. And over and over again, especially as IV therapies and vitamin IV therapies become more and more popular, people assume that they understand it or that oral vitamins are the same as IV vitamins and they not. They are so different, and part of that title was actually from part of the research.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 11:11

One of and one of the literature reviews we did was that essentially that and this isn't sort of to, like you know, spill the beans, so to speak right, but when we, when you hear vitamin c, you think oranges, you think antioxidants. That's what we're taught, that's what your medical doctor was taught. The vitamin C is an antioxidant, it's one of the most powerful antioxidants, and it's just true. So if someone is having chemotherapy, as an example, which is an oxidative therapy, it's the exact opposite. Why would you want to do, why would you want to take an antioxidant which would be negating the benefits of that oxidative or pro-oxidative therapy? And what's missed is that vitamin C, when administered intravenously at high dose, changes from being an antioxidant to a pro-oxidant, and people don't know that Right and sorry.

George Stroumboulis: 12:10

you break it down in there too. On what the level is people trying to dismiss it while we were testing orally?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 12:16

and it's the 80 versus the 300, like just talk to that. So okay, so yeah, so that's really important. So the assumption is to that. So okay, so yeah, so that's really important. So the assumption is is that we're taught, and our medical students are taught, that essentially most small molecular weight drugs, which includes, like most vitamins, fall into that category of small molecular weight drugs, like vitamin C. So the assumption is is that most small molecular weight drugs follow first order kinetics. First order kinetics very simply means that if you double the dose of the drug, you double the dose in your bloodstream. That's just first order kinetics. If you double your Advil, doubles Advil in your bloodstream.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 12:57

Vitamins, however, don't follow that. So vitamins are very, very tightly regulated. So vitamin C, as an example, has a resting concentration in your bloodstream of about 80 to 120 micromolars. And in the book I sort of describe and I say this to my patients because you say micromolar and already whew over yeah, right. So I said you've got a pitcher of lemonade, it's one liter. If you take 10, and you want to sweeten the lemonade, you want to add some, add some sugar. If you add 10 granules of sugar in that one liter of lemonade, that's a 10 micromolar concentration. 10 micromoles, 10 granules in one liter. If you added 80 it would be 80 micromolar. So the concentration of vitamin c in our bloodstream is 80 to about 120 micromolar.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 13:45

Now we test vitamin C in most of our patients that number is actually a lot lower. It's actually less than 80 for most. So vitamin C does not exert a therapeutic effect unless it crests 300 micromoles. So it would be like 300 granules in that lemonade. It has no therapeutic effect. So here's the interesting part. So when you look at pharmacokinetic studies, when we say pharmacokinetics again patients will sort of gloss over. But pharmacokinetics is just basically how a drug behaves or is metabolized in your body, how it behaves when you take a drug. So if you take vitamin C orally at high doses, no matter how much you take. You could take it one gram, a thousand milligrams every hour, 2000 milligrams every hour. No matter how much you take every hour, no matter how much you take, vitamin C will never exceed 220 micromoles per liter 200, but you need 300 for it to be therapeutic.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 14:51

Has no therapeutic effect. So the original vitamin C studies was actually done by Linus Pauling and there was a Scottish surgeon by the name of Ewan Cameron who was treating end-stage cancer patients with vitamin C IV vitamin C and Linus Pauling, who was a two-time Nobel Prize winner and again, there's only four two-time Nobel Prize winners in the history of the Nobel Prize. This is like the pantheon of scientists, and Linus Pauling found Ewan Cameron's of scientists and Linus Pauling found Ewan Cameron's research very compelling, so he decided to participate and they decided to do a study. End-stage cancer patients at that time was patients that had less than two months left to live. So they took a group of 100 patients. They compared it to 1,000 controls in a hospital in Scotland. They gave them 10 grams of vitamin C IV every day for 10 days and then they gave them oral dosing after and those patients lived on average 200% longer, and for end-stage cancer patients that's a big deal, Absolutely.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 15:59

The study was published in 1976 because Linus Pauling was attached to this. This created some stir. Anything associated with Linus Pauling at that time moved the needle, but it moved the needle in a positive way and also in a negative way. So the whole sort of natural medicine, vitamins. The naysayers were out there as well. In fact, there was a lot of sort of blowback from this community. Now Linus Pauling, being sort of you know on the Mount Rushmore of scientists, was actually unfazed and found some of the feedback to be positive and said I can, we can redo this under tighter controls.

George Stroumboulis: 16:46

To test it further to see. Yeah, so they did.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 16:49

They redid the study and what they found was even better results. They were living 380 days longer than the cohort. Wow, Wow, which is massive. And that second study was published in 1978. And at this point you would think now, however many years later, how is it that we're not using IV vitamin C as a complementary therapy in the standard of care? We say the standard of care, chemo, radiation or surgery.

George Stroumboulis: 17:23

Not to replace it, just Sure.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 17:26

How are we not using it? So in the book I say enter Charles Myrtle, the original, the OG quack buster, the guy who hated everything associated with natural medicine, was working as an oncologist at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, minnesota, and they decided to redo Pauline and Cameron's study and it was shamefully published in the New England Journal 1980. And these studies are still out there, you can read them in their entirety and gave the patients 10 grams vitamin C end-stage cancer patients against the control and it had no effect. Because, was it? Because it was oral. Yeah, it was administered orally.

George Stroumboulis: 18:15

And he published it in the New England Journal. Yeah, which is the standard which?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 18:19

effectively shut down the discussion of IV vitamin C in cancer. Well, vitamin C, sorry, vitamin C in cancer. Pharmacokinetic studies were not published until the mid-1990s, which Linus Pauling knew, he just couldn't explain it. And years later we know now, no matter how much vitamin C they would have taken orally, it would have exerted no effect. Therapeutically they're not hitting that 300. Not even close. The dose required to have an impact for cancer is around 10,000 micromolars.

George Stroumboulis: 18:54

Wow, okay. So when my kids are taking these little sugar cubes of vitamin C, that's not doing anything totally unrelated to cancer. I'm just saying.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 19:02

It's doing nothing. In fact, really all oral vitamin C does is it prevents deficiencies. It doesn't exert a therapeutic effect.

George Stroumboulis: 19:11

Okay, so it's not building up your immune system in any way. Okay.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 19:15

It's supporting the immune system in a general way by preventing the deficiency and raising sort of that slightly raising that micromolar concentration, but really has virtually no effect, gotcha, in fact, if you're going to take oral things for your immune system, you'd be better to focus on certain botanicals that act more as whole drugs that you can take orally. That would exert, that would affect the immune system in a different way.

George Stroumboulis: 19:37

Versus the okay.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 19:38

Versus vitamin C? Yep, vitamin C would be useless orally Gotcha.

George Stroumboulis: 19:46

Back to this myth buster, this, this quack buster. Yeah, so they come out, they publish this. It kills the whole momentum that they were building so where does the industry go from here?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 19:54

the industry basically went, like most sort of natural medicine practices basically went underground and was practiced, continue to be practiced by doctors and clinics, went offshore, done in Germany, done in Mexico over the years, and we lost so many years. And now, and partly this research too was done when I was originally contacted to do the consulting work in the U? S for the IV vitamin C. Vitamin IV therapy, especially in the U? S, is the wild West. How so? Because it's, it's, it's regulated but no one has any idea of how to actually do it Like. So when you talk about osmolarity or concentrations or what's safe or what's not safe, people have no idea. Because because doctors that are ministering it or nurses or nurse practitioners were never trained in IV vitamin therapy or vitamin therapy in general or nutrition in general.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 20:47

So, they have no clue. So when I was, when I looked at the original IV high dose, iv vitamin C formulas by a president of a company, that's, that was interested in having me consult for them, they said what do you think of our formula? And I said, point blank I would never, never, I would never administer this in a patient because it's not effective in any way, or no, it's because it was.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 21:09

It wasn't constructed properly. Just mic drop walked out of the room, yeah, and I reached out to me and said we'd like to hire you to do it. So because it wasn't administered properly. They didn't take osmolarity, they didn't look at normal saline versus sterile water, they didn't look at accompanying electrolytes like sodium, magnesium, calcium, potassium, and it puts the patient at risk. So you're having these companies that are just hearing the high dose vitamin C and just administering it, but not administering it safely.

George Stroumboulis: 21:41

For the listeners. We're not stepping away from the cancer conversation because there's a lot to talk, but before you even focused on vitamin C, iv therapy and cancer, you were always into the IV therapy in general, different vitamins. So just talk to me the importance of that, even for being proactive and healthy and replenishing. Like how did you start that? And then how did you get contacted by the U? S to start consulting in this space? I'm just curious on the progression.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 22:11

I guess from from a naturopathic medical perspective. You're using vitamins all the time to treat disease. So naturopathic doctors have a really broad scope of practice. In other words, they have prescriptive authority for drugs. They understand vitamins and nutrients, they understand nutrition, they understand all of these other therapies. So you can tailor, make a patient's protocol so you're you begin to use.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 22:33

So let's say someone comes in. Or let's say, from a chiropractic perspective, patient comes in in acute back pain. So instead of you know, and then he was had acute back pain, knows they don't want to be touched. So the idea of a chiropractor trying to wrench their back into position is like of a chiropractor trying to wrench their back into position is like is is terrible. So what ends up happening is so the patient would come in, I would start an IV drip, add in magnesium, add in some calcium, maybe add in some potassium, and then you begin to see that their muscles begin to relax. So then you can provide therapy.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 23:07

Okay, Patient comes in with anxiety. And let's say we've already done blood work on this patient. We know that their folic acid is low or copper is high. Copper is high drives dopamine to norepinephrine, so they become even more anxious. So you can add zinc to that IV, you can add magnesium, you can add glycine, which is going to be affecting the GABA receptors, so you can take a patient that's having an acute anxiety attack and using these nutrients intravenously, you're able to administer or have an effect that you would never have with oral dosing.

George Stroumboulis: 23:39

Gotcha.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 23:40

And, moreover, because it's instant again, small molecular weight drugs are tightly regulated, which includes magnesium, which includes zinc, which includes calcium. You can then begin to affect their affect, in this particular case, whether it was anxiety. So when I began to sort of see these over and over again in practice and then we were also treating cancer patients and oftentimes it was the tail wagging the dog patients were coming in knowing they wanted high-dose vitamin C or knowing they wanted mistletoe. Oh really, yeah. And it wasn't until I was like I was as skeptical as everyone else, like okay, I mean, I guess.

George Stroumboulis: 24:17

But were they coming in saying, hey, I'm going to get cured by doing this, or it's going to provide?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 24:19

some comfort during this process. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean everyone's hoping for the best, but no one really like in terms of the actual providers. No one really talks about cure, right, right, the issue with cancer is that it's it's such a devastating disease that we don't even talk in terms of care. We talk in terms of one, two, three, five year life expectancies, and that's why I feel like it's pretty rich when an oncologist who takes a really lethal form of cancer and tells the patient not to do anything else when they know their standard of care is good for about six months, jeez.

George Stroumboulis: 24:54

Which is the norm, right? You're seeing that a lot.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 24:57

So when you have that was the impetus for the book. That was okay. And for the Well, let me backtrack it was the impetus for the research which became the impetus for the book. Because if a doctor says I don't want you to do any supportive therapies and the patient's life is on the line and chronic disease, the management of chronic disease, which includes cancer, even though it's an acute form of that, requires and I mentioned this in chapter one a systems biological approach. The issue with our medical model is that it's based on an infectious disease model, this idea of one cause causing one disease and one cause, one cure. Right. And so in an infectious disease model, cancer, the tumor, is like the pathogen, so you need to kill the tumor cell. The issue is is that killing the tumor cell doesn't kill the stem cells, doesn't kill the triggers, and oftentimes that stem cell just repropagates the cancer. The cancer comes back even more aggressively in two years, three years, one year.

George Stroumboulis: 26:12

This is a very important point. What you're saying right now, it's a massive point.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 26:16

So what? We're understanding? That in the systems biological approach you have to look at the disease along multiple fronts, so how the cancer fuels itself, right. So the cancer will use two fermentable fuels. They'll use sugar or use glutamine. So glucose or glutamine. So if you can strip the body of glucose, glutamine is harder because they can pull it from muscle. But if you can, then it will shift. And that's why when you hear of nutrients like, let's say, berberine Berberine is a plant medicine that's found in, like golden seal or hydrastis.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 26:47

It gives it that yellow flavor, that yellow tinge that's really bitter. It's an alkaloid, but berberine makes sugar less tenable to the cell. It downregulates sugar and that's why you can use it in metabolic diseases like diabetes. You can also use it in cancer. If you look at metformin, which is a typical drug that's used for diabetes, it's not a hypoglycemic but it's used for diabetics because it drops drug that's used for diabetes, it's not a hypoglycemic but it's used for diabetics because it drops. So it makes that tumor when used in cancer. Rather it makes that cancer cell less able to use the sugar. And then if you induce a ketogenic diet as an example, or periods of ketosis, tumor cells are not very good at using ketones for fuel.

George Stroumboulis: 27:30

And ketogenic diet is low carb, good at using ketones for fuel and ketogenic diet is low carb.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 27:33

Low carb, high fat, low protein. People assume the ketogenic diet is high protein. It's not. It's not okay, it's not. It's a high fat and tumor cells are just not very good at using fats as fuel. And then you can again affect all of the different pathways. So there's an inflammatory component to cancer. So you can use things that downregulate inflammation, like low dose naltrexone. Naltrexone is used typically for heroin addicts, but at low doses it affects a lot of chronic diseases, including cancer. So again you can do low dose naltrexone. You can use metformin, you can use curcumin. You can use, and if you begin to sort of like it's death by a thousand strokes, if you begin to sort of like it's death by a thousand strokes, if you begin to sort of affect all the different pathways that are affecting that tumor cell, it then becomes starved and it raises the oxidative capacity so it can be crushed and the stem cell as well.

George Stroumboulis: 28:23

And the stem cell, okay, which in traditional chemo they're not even worried, not even addressing it because you can't.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 28:29

In fact, the chemotherapy, which, which is effective, doesn't affect the stem cells at all, because chemotherapy only affects rapidly dividing cells. The issue with that, which is great because tumors are rapidly dividing, but so are all your bone marrow cells or your white blood cells. Your immune system goes straight down right, and without your immune system, the immune system is what does the final kill in cancer? And if your immune system, the immune system is, what does the final kill in cancer? And if your immune system's compromised, the patient's compromised, and that's why stem cells just regenerate, they're not screened and in general, like any young patient that gets cancer, you know, effectively it bypassed our immune vigilance, right, so our immune system, and that's why they're right, and that's why the immune system has to be affected and in the future, the cure for this, so that the vision is that cancer just becomes a chronic disease, so you live a long and healthy life.

George Stroumboulis: 29:24

Like HIV, is what you're mentioning?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 29:27

And effectively you will find a combination of metabolic ways to strangle the cancer so that it can't grow, immune components so that it affects and it's able to see that the those cancer cells. And when you get this sort of combination of metabolic and immunomarker immunotherapies, the base, the cancer, would just basically shrink to nothing but can you explain so the listeners know?

George Stroumboulis: 29:48

like hiv, where was it when it first came out and where are we? So it was a death sentence, right like magic johnson today is living a long life.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 29:55

So we grew up under the. Under the it was hiv, aids was hiv became aids was a death sentence. Yeah and um. Eventually we now control it with a combination of four drugs. That basically renders it useless and people can just live long and healthy lives, even with hiv you could spread it, but it's sure, still it's manageable. Yep, like any crime, it just becomes a chronic disease management so you're saying that's where cancer could lead to?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 30:23

that's where cancer is going to go. Okay, I'm sure of that, but as long as we, as long as, in oncology we get, if we fall into the trap. So the best research tells us that we have to apply the systems biological approach. But if we fall into the trap of looking at it as one cause, one cure, we're screwed.

George Stroumboulis: 30:44

So all these cancer institutes? Let's talk about the US. Right, you have some numbers in there. Where am I saying this? Right, every day, there's 5,500 plus new cancer patients every day, something like that, something like that. And every day in the US, roughly 1,500 people die from cancer every day. Right, and we have all these cancer. Anywhere you go in the States, even the smallest town, there's a cancer center, there's a cancer center. I mean, start getting cynical. But these are operating on a for-profit basis, right, so does a systematic approach go against them? Like, for me, it makes sense that they wouldn't support this because they wouldn't be in profit in business.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 31:24

Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't think it's as nefarious as that, I don't think it's, it is a for-profit. But I just think that they're looking for the best available research. So the best available research in an infectious disease model is is the most effective therapy. So chemo kills a tumor cell better than anything else. But you lose when you think it's just chemo. So, for example, like I talk about in the in the book, the research, so some of the most lethal forms of cancer, high dose vitamin C works most effectively.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 31:57

So, as an example, if you took colorectal cancer, which is on the rise and you see colorectal cancer in very young people, so just colon cancer, 30, 30 year olds we see in the practice with colorectal cancer. So, and KRAS positive. So we were taught, and all medical students today are taught, that cancer is a genetic phenomenon, which isn't true, because you could take the exact two types of cancer, the exact same types of breast cancer, let's say, and they will have multiple genetic variations. So each breast cancer will have multiple genetic variables. So the genes are not predetermined. So some of the most lethal forms of cancer have certain genes that turn on that basically trigger this cancer. So k-ras positive, colon cancer is an example of that.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 32:42

Okay and very poor outcomes, um, even with the standard of care which is combination chemotherapies. And yet if you, if the studies that were done, that used high-dose vitamin C first, outcomes are better. And why? The glutathione, which our listeners will know, is sort of our body's main antioxidant. It's the body's most powerful antioxidant and tumor cells are chock full of glutathione. And high-dose vitamin C, because it's an oxidative therapy, depletes the glutathione in the tumor cell. So if you do high-dose vitamin C first and then do a chemotherapy, the tumor cell is so weakened that it becomes obliterated.

George Stroumboulis: 33:27

With chemo, when chemo is administered, okay, but what you just listed, that process right there, is that the norm or no?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 33:36

Again, because they're looking at the best available evidence which is based on an infectious disease model, which is looking at one cause, one drug, right, and it was the same thing that this, it was the same mistake. So, like we had a patient that let's say that was had a weakened immune system and, shaving her legs, gets a staph infection and then gets cellulitis because her immune system's compromised for whatever reason, sure, let's say she has a metabolic disease, diabetes, etc. She then develops cellulitis. She's given antibiotics. But when we find that when we give antibiotics plus high dose vitamin c, the the outcome is way better. So the patient responds to that same standard of care remarkably better. Again, we saw that in COVID. Same thing high dose vitamin C you'll get a better outcome.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 34:25

So you see this over and over again and, not surprisingly, even with cancer. If you couple it with stuff like doxycycline, which is a very normal sort of a typical antibiotic, a lot of antimicrobials seem to impact cancer. And again, when you couple them with high-dose vitamin C or artesanase another example from Wormwood, which is used for malaria, ivermectin, another one, mibendazole, which is the human version of fenbendazole, which is a dewormer, and all of these seem to impact cancer, but not on their own, but when coupled. And the mistake that everybody makes is again falling in love with this one cure model, and you've got to get that out of your head but are they?

George Stroumboulis: 35:13

this is what I'm not understanding. Are they threatened by the one cure? Because you're saying keep doing what you're doing? This is in addition to if we could start it earlier on in the process, when you first discover there's cancer. But why is there a pushback? Because they're going back to that study that basically debunk this no, I don't even know.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 35:31

I actually think they're going back because our research models are fundamentally broken, because they're too simplistic. Okay, that's the issue. It's kind of like when you hear the best prevention for the flu is the flu shot. That's a preventive strategy. But what if we looked at that with vitamin D levels, with zinc levels, with immune levels, with metabolic status, with, like it's when you begin to look at and it doesn't matter with flu, because by and large people for the most part aren't going to die, right, but with cancer, unless you begin to pull it apart and look at it systematically along its entire continuum, you have to address all of those points. It'd be like running a business and saying the most effective thing is just this and and forgetting everything else.

George Stroumboulis: 36:26

Absolutely, absolutely. Where, like when, when you're doing this and a patient comes to you, what's the best type of scenario if someone discovers they have cancer early on? Because this process to even see a difference takes several months. Right, it's not a quick fix. Hook me up to an IV, I'm good. This takes work, right. Right, it's definitely a few months for someone to get on a program. When is it just too late?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 36:51

Basically when your immune system system and we see this all the time. We've had patients that um came in and um were effectively scared out of treatment by their oncologist and with very lethal forms of cancer. And sadly they'll come back six months later and completely depleted from the cancer or depleted from the chemotherapy, their cancer's back um, and at that point there's very little you can do. It's it's just palliative, geez, you know, and um, and again, the reason I'm doing this today with you is for awareness. People don't know and here's what the viewer fundamentally has to understand that modern cancer therapy requires that you understand the cancer in its entirety and you strip it down. If you have a major problem, you have to peel it apart Right and look at how is it driven, how does it get its fuel, what's the inflammation level like? What's the metabolic status like what's the genetic component, what's driving it, what's the health status, what's the immune status? And unless you address all of those things, or, from a positive perspective, if you address all of those things, including the standard of care, the outcomes are always better. They're always better.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 38:22

You know there's simple studies like fasting before chemotherapy reduces adverse effects Really and improves outcomes. Why really? And improves outcomes. Why? Because you can imagine if, if the cancer is primarily driven by sugar and this I always find this so I don't know whether it's rich infuriating that when an oncologist or an oncology team says that it doesn't matter what you eat, oh, doesn't it? Because when we're screening patients. So if, if we think that a patient, if we find prostate cancer and we want to see if it's spread, we give them radioactive sugar, give them pet scan and wherever the sugar goes is lights up, tumors light up there's the answer right, so obviously yeah.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 39:00

So if it doesn't matter what you eat, it matters the tumor. They certainly like it, right, right. So then I think, if you't, so when you say it doesn't matter, everything matters the example that I use is the Dale David Brailsford example and um the this idea, um the 1% rule, you know, and I won't belabor it, but but, look British, the British cycling team example.

George Stroumboulis: 39:35

But the British cycling team example, the British cycling team example. But it's basically every day you try to be 1% better, or over the year, just be 1% better or begin to add, all the little things added together, have a magnitude of effect that are greater sort of the synergy.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 39:47

They're synergistic, the magnitude is greater than the sum of their parts, right? So you begin to see, like like in the Linus Pauling studies, that the patients that should have expired at six months synergistic, the magnitude is greater than the sum of their parts, right? So you begin to see, like like in the Linus Pauling studies, that the patients that should have expired at six months, 12 months, are at 12 months, are still thriving. You know, and I used I used several examples of that in the book where patients came to us at end stage, or given six months to live, right, or four months to live, and are still alive, and not you. You don't promise that.

George Stroumboulis: 40:15

Okay, that I was just going to ask you. Like, when they come in, what are you telling them?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 40:19

Cause you just tell them in very simple terms like here's what we can do we address the metabolic components, we've dressed inflammatory components. We address the immune components. We try to improve quality of life. That's all we're trying to do at this point. And when you begin to sort of couple all of these therapies, you begin to see effects and you, very, you have very clear and delineated markers. So we're looking at blood work and we talk about that in the, in the chapter, and again, not to make it complicated but to explain it to people and patients in very simple ways, if they understand exactly what the metrics of success are, then they can understand if they're winning Right and if the therapy is effective. Like you do not want to invest in time, money, energy on a therapy that is not working.

George Stroumboulis: 41:04

Plus, you're dealing with emotions. You think your world's coming to an end Like.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 41:07

People are vulnerable and the population is vulnerable, and they're vulnerable also to hope, which is not a bad thing, but you do not want to be selling false hope. Right, you want to give the patient very clear and delineated markers. We are either hitting these targets or we're not.

George Stroumboulis: 41:25

So you're bringing this out right. You're creating this forum, this discussion you're touring. It makes sense. Where do you see the market adapting this, Like hospitals, the medical boards? Is this something that will take decades for people to say, no, this makes sense? Are you confident today, with everyone you've treated with this, that it's working? It's making sense? You're able to change some of these markers with IV therapy.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 41:53

Yeah, and nutrient therapy and diet, and again I sort of go through an entire metabolic approach so that I can explain that, that I'm not putting all of my eggs in one basket. And you're trying to make the standard of care, the chemotherapy radiation more effective, less, less toxic. You're trying to help the patient get through, you're trying to address their immune system because their immune system is becoming compromised. So we can see that even in neutrophils to lymphocyte ratios, which is a normal white blood cell panel and again I'll tell the patient very clearly if your neutrophil to lymphocyte ratio is greater than three, your risk of death goes up significantly. If ALK-FOS, which is a marker of destruction, goes above 185, or lactate dehydrogenase, because the cancer cell is using preferentially glucose, which goes to pyruvate, doesn't go into the mitochondria.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 42:48

There's lab markers for all of these and interestingly in greece they run rgcc panels. This country runs rgcc for all the doctors, integrated doctors in the world, which looks at the cancer along, all of the different components circulating, tumor cells, stem cells. So we never tell patients that you're cured, right? It like what's the burden of disease? Okay, right, so then if you can bring it down, so that and again, we use examples all the time I just had a patient do a consult last week. Cervical cancer last year, quote unquote, cured ring the bell.

George Stroumboulis: 43:26

Ah, the bell ringing.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 43:28

One year later it's back with a vengeance. Now it's metastasized and gone everywhere, jeez in all lymph nodes into the lungs. Metabolic markers were never checked. Inflammatory markers were never checked. Circulating tumor cells were never checked. They dropped the ball. They're not checking. They're doing gross markers on an, on a ct, and it's not enough right it is.

George Stroumboulis: 43:51

I know you can't get controversial, but from the American versus Canadian medical system, is it similar when it comes to this arena from cancer?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 44:00

I would say that what I've noticed in Canada, like most of the boards that I work with, in terms of supportive cancer, integrative oncology, IV vitamins, are mostly doctors, MDs or medically trained MDs from the US Right, Canada, I think. Because of our Medicare model, they're just in their silo Right there's actually less collaboration, Whereas in the US, part of the benefit of it being for profit is they're open to exploring things that may improve outcomes and thereby improve the viability of their outcomes practice research, et cetera, Gotcha. So most of again, even most of the uh the feedback we have from MDs are from the U? S, although we do have Canadian doctors as well and Canadian oncologists that are understanding this more and more. It's just that there's a lot of hubris in medicine and that keeps them oftentimes blind to research that they're not privy to.

George Stroumboulis: 45:03

Do you read any of the hate comments? This book's been launched now a couple months, officially, a few months. Do you go down the comments? I don't. I guess that's a good thing, I don't.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 45:14

Just because I'm so sensitive that when you're authentically trying to do something to improve a person's life, like it's your brother or your mom or yourself, yes, like what would I do, right? Or it's, uh, I take that type of trolling, yeah, I can read that stuff.

George Stroumboulis: 45:34

You're almost better off and you're not trying to sell a miracle drug that you can only buy from Dr Steve and his practice.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 45:40

This is a system, yeah moreover, research is designed to, and there's a lot, and I don't even want to take credit for any of this. I'm just trying to do my part in sort of furthering this, both from an education perspective and a research perspective. But you know, there's people that are have done a lot of research and are continuing to do the research, and the more we collectively put our brains together. But the truth is, if the model with which we view the disease is fundamentally broken which it is you're never going to find the cure Right Absolutely, and that's the problem.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 46:22

Yeah, and you know, looking at immunotherapy is great, but it can't be just immunotherapies. When there's metabolic components that are driving the disease, so you have to look at. When there's metabolic components that are driving the disease, so you have to look at again a systems biological approach that the you know, this genetic somatic mutation theory that's been attributed to the cause of cancer has not provided a fruitful outcomes in terms of life expectancies or outcomes. In fact, you know I mentioned this that the person who proposed the somatic mutation theory for cancer never actually studied cancer.

George Stroumboulis: 46:53

Really yeah. So I want to ask you there's someone in my circle life, right? I don't want to name names or like what the relationship is, but prostate cancer, right? I feel like we've talked about this going on two years now. Is it the PSA? Okay, PSA has increased a little and hasn't changed his diet at all Sodas, sugars, nonstop. Number keeps rising. Hasn't done anything yet and it's like certain stubbornness where you just want to shake the person. I feel like this type of therapy, right now, before it gets out of control, is perfect. To start looking at his numbers right, Start applying vitamin C IV therapy and looking at this. It's just you know patients early on that have this. This seems like it's ideal to start administering this.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 47:44

Yeah, for cancers, we know the earlier that you can detect, the better the outcome, right, and that's why early detection is so important. And it's hard for us because in general, in general, we don't even like you said this at the beginning too it's a heavy topic, like you almost don't even want to talk about cancer, right, like you don't want to bring it up because there's some dumb luck associated with it. But the more we can early detect, the better, and in your friend's case, the more you can get that psa. And again, we don't even know exactly the correlation between PSA and even later stages. A lot of the drugs that we use to sort of affect prostate cancer, which are angiogen blockers, stop working. They stop working and unless you have a broader systems biological approach that is providing positive outcomes, those patients are at risk, right. So you're right to that point. You should be addressing the disease as early as you can.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 48:44

Yeah, and as aggressively as you can.

George Stroumboulis: 48:46

And as aggressively so give us some advice. You had mentioned, you know, diet, keto diet fasting.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 48:53

I'll give you some great advice.

George Stroumboulis: 48:54

Now, just before you give that, you know I'm always paranoid, I fly a lot my exposure to radiation, like there's so many things cell phones here like things that we can control but we don't. But what are the things that we can control?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 49:08

The things you can control in terms of cancer drivers for sure are metabolic markers. So, and and we look at this as metabolic markers and metabolism just in really simple terms, means basically how our body uses food for fuel, and the canary in the mine shaft is almost always insulin. So the first thing you should look at is fasting insulin for everybody, including yourself. Look at fasting insulin and and I give the sort of the markers, the reference markers. So the markers we use in our normal lab panels are for the normal population. The problem is our normal population is not very healthy, right? So there are optimal markers. So in the Canadian markers it would be, let's say, less than 45 picomole per liter. So if you have a fasting insulin level that is high, then insulin is a nutrient storage hormone. So basically, insulin takes sugar that's in the bloodstream and puts it into the cell. So high insulin drives disease, it drives inflammation and it drives disease, drives all diseases.

George Stroumboulis: 50:12

So when you're saying high insulin, like when you eating breads, anything that will spike your insulin, right Okay.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 50:17

So when you eat, insulin is released and then the size of the carbohydrate load results in higher insulin. So people that have huge meals or eat too much sugar or have soda pop 18 times a day right, we'll have. Eat too much sugar or have soda pop 18 times a day will have phenomenally high levels of fasting insulin. It will be a precursor driver for all diseases that are metabolically driven, including cancer, including heart disease, including diabetes, etc. You then look at inflammatory markers. Two simple inflammatory markers that are dirt cheap are sedimentation rate. Sedimentation rate is basically you take a test tube, you spin it. The rate at which it creates a sediment implies whether there's inflammatory components in there. The range is 2 to 20 or 2, depends on the lab Yep 2 to 20 millimeters per hour. In other words, the rate at which it creates a sediment.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 51:06

You shouldn't have inflammation. So low-grade inflammation again is a metabolic risk factor for all diseases, including cancer. C-reactive protein is another non-specific inflammatory marker. Higher the C-reactive protein, especially if it's low-grade inflammation, the higher your risk. And with cancer patients we always see inflammation goes up. As inflammation goes up, risk of death goes up. When we can get inflammation under control, the patient gets under control.

George Stroumboulis: 51:32

Okay, so it's correlated.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 51:34

So those are three simple tests that, if you can look at your insulin and again, when patients come in, it doesn't really matter whether you're overweight, underweight If your insulin is good and your inflammatory markers are great. That's the first thing that you can do. The second is looking at your immune system. An immune system requires this sort of cascade or balance between a lot of things Things like vitamin D, like zinc, etc. Vitamin and nutrient levels, antioxidant status. So fasting is the great equalizer.

George Stroumboulis: 52:11

Yeah, talk to me about this because fasting resets everything, but how long? Because I know people now that are doing weeks at a time, or someone will do eight hours. And is that even fasting, or is it just called sleeping Like what's a good rule of thumb for?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 52:26

In general, what ends up happening is when you stop eating. So our body's main exposure to the outside world is through our gut. So most of our immune system surrounds our gut, because you can imagine that our environment is what kills us. So if you take something from the outside world and put it into your mouth, how potentially dangerous that is. So naturally our immune system is mostly surrounding our gut, so it screens everything and it's highly vigilant and that's why, when you overeat, it impacts or recruits so much of our immune system that our immune system then becomes compromised to affect other things, gotcha. So when you fast, your immune system can then respond to healing.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 53:16

But in general how it works is, once you stop eating, the glucose that's in your bloodstream goes down. Glycogen, which is the storage form of glucose in your liver, gets pumped into the bloodstream. When it then depletes in your liver gets pumped into the bloodstream. When it then depletes, your body then goes oh shit. And then it shifts. It goes from using a glucose dominant fuel source to using fats or ketones. Once that shift occurs, your immune system kicks to another degree and really you just have to get to that state.

George Stroumboulis: 53:50

But is there a rule of thumb on? I know everybody.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 53:53

So the rule of thumb is if you fast for too long, you're then depleting you're, you're stripping your body of protein, so you'll get a reduced net effect. Okay, so you have to fast a certain amount, and not enough to compromise your natural immune status.

George Stroumboulis: 54:13

And is it a daily thing? Like I know, you talked about 16 and eight, was that yeah?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 54:18

I think that there is a balance like at no point in our human history were we exposed to constant food. So our operating system has existed mostly in a fasted state. For our entire human history we've been mostly starving. And when we starve, what we realized is and I use this example of one of our cancer patients Amanda in the book had cervical cancer that had recurred and was very characteristically had high fasting insulin and high inflammation. And what we saw after that first dose of doing high dose vitamin c and chemotherapy and mistletoe therapy. She got good results on her scans but her labs they weren't. It wasn't gone and her labs were still total shit.

George Stroumboulis: 55:10

Okay.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 55:11

And that's when I sort of read her the riot act that it really, until insulin goes down, until inflammation goes down, we're not out of the woods. And that's where the patients sort of lose their vigilance. They're like, oh no, this looks good, tumors are shrinking, everything's coming along.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 55:25

And they just keep eating the way they were and that's where I even said she would be like vomiting in the room from the chemo and even from high-dose vitamin C. She would come in so sick. And when I first broached the subject of fasting, reducing adverse effects related to chemotherapy, like her and her husband, she goes, I can't. She became defiant I can't do that. And her husband jumped in and said no, no, she's right, she can't do that, she has to eat all the time. Of course she has to eat all the time because if she stops eating and insulin levels are high in the blood, blood sugar goes down. So you get hungry, right.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 56:00

So it wasn't until she finally it switched. She started eating in a different way. Her fasting insulin went from 170 plus down to 45 or below 50. Right that in the skin was no evidence of disease. Then the chemo and the high-dose vitamin c and the mistletoe and the supplements, and all worked completely in synergy. That's how critical the diet was, right, like it made every therapy more effective and what were her results like?

George Stroumboulis: 56:29

at the end of all this, still alive? She's still alive and she was given a year to live. Am I making this up? Or you mentioned in the book the fact that her husband was in the room and they both said that she can't go without eating. You said something along the lines of well, that's an indication that you need to address it. Right Right, like we shouldn't be hungry all the time.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 56:48

No, Because where were we wandering?

George Stroumboulis: 56:53

with constant food, you weren't killing deer every minute and had meat and had. Yeah.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 56:58

So we were meant to. And your body gets to the point when you begin to fast, like the first sign of illness, like, just from an immune perspective. First sign of illness stop eating Like throat scratch you, stop eating Period. Stop eating oh. First side of meal stop eating like throat scratch you. Stop eating period. Stop eating oh, is that that's a great rule?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 57:14

Okay, you know, like, because your immune system, your body, has an inherent healing mechanism and you have to unleash it. The way we unleash it is through sleep and by not eating. And we eat to support our body and our immune system, so that we can replicate protein, so we can build muscle, maintain bones, get our nutrients. But beyond that, we're meant to fast and we know that because even the way our minds function neurologically ketones, like the moment you're hungry, you can't think right, but when the body switches into ketosis, our brains run on, can run very effectively on ketones, and you can think clearly and oftentimes our best thinking is done once we're into the, in that state, which is completely different, you know, and most of us are just sick because we're constantly fueling our bodies and our body can't actually heal.

George Stroumboulis: 58:12

Do you fast? I do Like you follow. I feel like you need to have a spouse. If you're married or have a boyfriend, girlfriend, you need a spouse that supports that as well. Right, you kind of need to be on the same page, Don't you find that?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 58:23

Yeah, for sure. But for me, even just for my work, it was easier. It's easier for me to fast during the day, yeah, and I'll have a protein shake that I'll make, but again I'll make it fat dominant with some protein, but not high protein. And again there's this movement towards really high protein. Now the same there was to, and it's not about the high protein, it's enough protein.

George Stroumboulis: 58:49

So not the carnivore diet. Breakfast, lunch, dinner.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 58:52

Yeah, I'm not finding the best and I'll have lots of patients that want to follow carnivore. But I'm not getting the best lab results with patients that are using the carnivore, same way that I'm not getting for patients that were vegan.

George Stroumboulis: 59:05

Right, so what is it? There's always trends. There's always stuff coming on. Is it just follow a good Mediterranean diet, a good antioxidant rich diet.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 59:16

Enough good quality, healthy, proteins, real food and limit that food so that the nutrient value of your food is at the highest caliber, at the lowest caloric amount that you need to sustain yourself and sustain the immune system, but enough so the body can heal. That gives yourself the biggest fighting chance.

George Stroumboulis: 59:37

Right, I think it'd be great for the listeners. Blue zones Can you talk a bit about your knowledge on, I think, antikyria? Here is one of the blue zones. What? Do they do different.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 59:48

Well, it's funny, we talk about the Mediterraneaniterranean diet, but the original ancel key studies from the 1950s. They looked at crete okay and people's idea of the mediterranean diet is so fundamentally like skewed, like crete. In the 1950s, protein was like my parents had meat three times a year right right creed at that time.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:00:14

First of all, they fasted around easter 40 days 40 days meat was wild rabbit and fish, mostly um botanical, surrounded by botanicals. Even their honey was botanically grown, right um. All their teas were botanicals, surrounded by botanicals. Even their honey was botanically grown Right. All their teas were botanicals. Their grain sources were all very rustic, you know, like rye barley very rustic grains. Their dairy products antioxidant rich, all of their vitamins, all of their fruits, vegetables were locally grown and olive oil was fresh and the caloric intake was actually very low. So that diet is not what is. People are fed up, fed in terms of like or what the versions of the mediterranean diet are now. In general, people eat way more than they need to Right, way more. And if you could strip down your caloric load and increase the nutrient value to the highest level, that's your best fighting chance.

George Stroumboulis: 1:01:24

But it's so hard, especially in North America. I mean, greece is no different here, but it's so challenging just with the life. Everyone's working, we're working long hours, we're traveling, we're doing all this stuff. Junk food, especially in California, is on every corner. I've never seen a more concentrated area in the world for junk food, fast food.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:01:44

Yeah, I think the secret is just to, basically, you have to hold yourself accountable and I think that, uh, enjoy those restaurants, enjoy chefs, enjoy celebrating food, cause we should. It's, it's in our, it's in our operating system to overeat. People fundamentally lose that idea. Like it's, it's in us to overeat, we're meant to gorge feast or famine right, Just feast or famine.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:02:05

So if you can, if you can appreciate Thanksgiving dinner, then starve up to it, right, and then your body's healing, then you gorge, then you starve and then you gorge. That's inherently how our operating system works, so it's the we need that. It's the reason why, if you open up a bag of chips, it's gone. I don't eat four chips. No, no, I don't think anyone on this planet they're gone the whole, like if it's the size it's gone. Yep, because that's how our brain is operating.

George Stroumboulis: 1:02:34

Absolutely so. This is incredible. We're going to put the links up on this book. Everyone should read it. I'm going to get several copies. I have so many friends that I want to read this right, and I think, up until the first few chapters it's just so packed with information. Talk to me about the DRIPAR Chief Medical Officer of DRIPAR Canada. So is DRIPAR. What's the plan? It sounds like this is going to be an expansion and there's going to be a DRIPAR on every corner, type thing.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:03:01

That's the hope. I mean, it's a way to sort of standardize IV therapies across Canada. We have an incredible medical team of medical doctors, nurse practitioners that help sort of oversee and facilitate these franchises, and it's such an untapped opportunity in Canada because the IV franchises are actually way more well-developed in the US and in Canada it's completely untapped, so it's really first to market.

George Stroumboulis: 1:03:32

I've never done an IV in my life, aside from maybe I was in the hospital and they put just an IV for that. I've never done IV vitamin therapy in any way. There's several in California, so just what is the process? You go in, you get your blood work done first In Canada.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:03:46

The way our model works is that we do a screening and Drip Bar is partnered with Revive, which is the largest IV provider in the world there's a Revive actually here in Athens, in Athens, okay and so the Revive has a screening tool and what we do is we do labs as well in Canada and then from there tailor an IV and custom formulate IVs for the patients. And then they have their IV formulas and then it depends again on whether there's an immune component, whether they're fighting something, whether they're. And again, then we also have health-related IVs like high-dose vitamin C for supportive cancer or for certain immune components or viruses etc. Alpha-lipoic acid, mistletoe therapy, nad for brain injuries. So those all get kind of tailored and are either referrals from other doctors or from the patient. But we sort of use our medical team to sort of custom make these formulations. And the thing that I guess I'm proudest of is that I had a role, a prominent role, in sort of creating all these formulas both in the US and in Canada.

George Stroumboulis: 1:04:49

These formulas are basically 10 typical issues.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:04:53

someone may have administered this and they were built out of clinical practice of actually using these formulas and seeing the result of patient, and now standardizing these across Canada and again. So it brings me great joy to see this now unfolding across Canada and the US and really around the world.

George Stroumboulis: 1:05:12

Separate brands, Tripart, Canada and the US. Are they separate entities?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:05:16

Same ownership, although it's a different company or it's a subset of the US franchise in Canada, but the R&D team that we're part of is really for the entire company, gotcha, and our R&D team is global. That's exciting.

George Stroumboulis: 1:05:31

That makes me honestly I want to start, especially after reading this. I just want to start. I feel like I need it.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:05:39

Even before I travel, I'll do glutathione or I'll do even vitamin D, doing it intramuscularly as an injection of 50,000 IUs. I remember when I first started practice, you know, and I prescribed 2000 IUs of vitamin D for a patient, and there was, I got a note from a, from a doctor, saying that I'm prescribing something that's going to cause liver toxicity. And you know that there's just so much, there's so much awareness required for this and that's what this is really for. But seeing these formulas now and these processes and protocols now standardized across, becoming standardized across the world, is just very compelling for me.

George Stroumboulis: 1:06:15

Yeah, absolutely. And you are a speaker, you host different events, you speak at different events, like not just in Canada, around the world, from Ecuador to Germany. Just talk to me about that. Like that, that's a big deal. Like, where are you finding the time to even do this?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:06:29

Yeah, I don't know, um, but I'm trying to sort of move my practice so that I we do have a team of of doctors and nurse practitioners, um, and naturopath physicians that can help facilitate this, yeah Right, so that I can do the teaching to them, and most of the teaching that I do is to other doctors, you know which you need to.

George Stroumboulis: 1:06:48

You're. You're one person who's doing amazing things. If you're stuck in one physical location, you can do more change for more people by kind of course, and for the and for the uh viewers watching.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:07:01

I want them to sort of pick up on the fact that let's have conferences here, like we were talking about costa navarro, that that's a killer place for people to come and do that and train European doctors from Germany, from England, from, etc. Because there's such a demand for this. Yes, you know such demand and you mentioned earlier about how does change happen and fundamentally, change always occurs from the ground up, not from the top down. Right, medicine's not going to change. The same way that you know media didn't change. You know social media happened, which changed media in general. Right, in the same way that all change occurs from the ground up.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:07:47

So patients demand it, people demand demand it and then eventually the system will change to facilitate the demand of the patients so that it will become standard. They will want to know how do I eat, what supplements do I take, are there immune system things that I should do or shouldn't do? And it's important that people become educated because a lot of times patients are doing things that are actually deleterious to their cancer treatment or to their heart disease or et cetera, because they fall into trends and we don't want this to become a TikTok phenomenon, where it's about one thing, it's about looking at it systematically and yeah, so I mean that's kind of in a nutshell and you're talking about stuff you're an expert in, you love it, so it's just so natural Shout out to you, you know working with your son during this too.

George Stroumboulis: 1:08:40

I think that's so cool that right Like last month, you guys were in New York. You're doing a tour promoting the book and your son's there and you guys, you know he's capturing media. He's part of this. I kind of joked before we started this. It's the equivalent of us helping dad at the restaurant.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:08:56

Totally.

George Stroumboulis: 1:08:56

Right, except this is kind of a cooler thing to do and he gets to see the world. How cool is that.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:09:01

And we're not getting bacon burns.

George Stroumboulis: 1:09:03

Yeah, exactly Grease fryer. That's just so cool.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:09:06

Yeah, it's amazing.

George Stroumboulis: 1:09:07

Yeah, so I guess on time. I want to talk quickly about the farming, the olive grove, carrying on your father's legacy, such a I don't want to butcher the story, but your father, you know great man has done great things. You know you and your brother were his life right, all this stuff and, and you know, every year he'd still come back to the village and he would harvest the olives, make olive oil and just do that. Just talk to us about just growing up doing that, starting a business with your brother and then carrying on this legacy.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:09:43

Yeah, my dad passed away last year. Um, which I mean anyone who's had loss knows that you can't. It fundamentally hits you on such a level that you can't even really comprehend it. And it's interesting because it was then we were coming back for the olive harvest but like you, like we were running, like I would come for five days or seven days or like I never took time away from the practice. Right when he passed away I said screw it. And I said to my brother like we're going to do the whole thing from start to finish, however long it takes and whatever the cost would be to our businesses, because it was so important to carry on that legacy and being here for that length of time.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:10:31

First of all, everything slowed down. So the process of doing it changed me. You know what we do like when we originally did it. So my dad said he took the groves over from my aunt who was farming them when he decided to come to Greece full time. And he said that and I said, look, all that really matters is early harvest or make sure that they're organic. So I don't really you don't want to be bringing back olive oil and feed it to your grandkids, who were little at the time. If they're full of pesticides, right so? And because fats? Because pesticides and all toxins are stored in fats, including food fats, all toxins are stored in fats, including food fats. All of all becomes that much more impacted.

George Stroumboulis: 1:11:15

Oh, okay.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:11:16

Right, so like in your cells. A reason a lot of time when people begin to lose weight they feel like absolute shit is because the moment you lose fat cells, toxins are mobilized.

George Stroumboulis: 1:11:25

Okay.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:11:26

Right. So, uh, people have an inability sometimes to lose fat because they're so toxic. So fats naturally absorb toxins, including from the environment. So I said it's really important that the farms become organic. It's important that it's an early harvest because the antioxidant levels are going to be higher. It's really important that we press it as cold as possible. And my dad, like a dog in a bone, said okay, I'll, cause he loved his grandkids. He knew that, yeah, this oil was going to be for them, did?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:11:53

you have a commercial angle at that time I thought that whatever we don't use as a family, I'll, I'll share with my patients. Yep, and again, you're not going to share all of what with your patients that is full of pesticides or fungicides or is shit, right? Yeah, so again. So he, like a dog on a bone, he went from press to press to press, and presses in greece are paid by yield. So they actually didn't want to press it cold, they want to press it hot because you get greater yield. Yep, and found a new press that was starving for business. They said, yeah, I'll press it whatever.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:12:28

And at that time so it was being pressed around 35 degrees Celsius, 40 degrees Celsius cold press. We pressed it around six degrees. Oil was phenomenal. Sent it to the chemist in Messini and he looked at it and goes this is great oil, antioxidants through the roof. And then my brother got involved trying to find a way to press it colder and colder still. Can you define cold press versus hot press? It's a loose definition. It's actually based on a city of the oil. There is no real standard definition of cold pressed it's. It's a loose term because historically, when, when olive oil is pressed mid-november, it was done in cold water, stone mills, gotcha, and it's just pressed cold. But now it's not pressed cold, it's actually pressed hot. It's still called cold pressed.

George Stroumboulis: 1:13:20

But you're still getting a bigger yield when it's hot yeah.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:13:23

Okay, so we actually try to actually press it cold, right, so it produces less but really doesn't matter because the quality is higher. So, yeah, so then we kept trying to make that better and better, um, develop the following, um, and you know, I, I think like for me it was never about the commercial part of that, it was really that process of doing it gave me a window to a world I never could have imagined Like farming, and first of all, olive oil farming, and olive oil business is the most corrupt business. It's like probably it would probably rival cocaine Globally, not in Greece?

George Stroumboulis: 1:14:04

Oh yeah, yeah, not in Greece. What makes?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:14:06

Greece. Actually very special is that when I'm in the village farming they're like you know what's a doctor from Canada doing, but they know now I mean, obviously right, you had a line last year.

George Stroumboulis: 1:14:19

That was like nailed it and we'll talk about this. Finish your train of thought, because I'm not gonna go ahead you had a line. It was you and your brother, theo, documenting this, and again we'll chat about that. But you said something that this is like the only country in the world where everybody has their profession doctor, lawyer, policeman, accountant but nearly the entire country is a farmer.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:14:42

They have some sort of there was something like you were referencing, which is, and there's so many village presses, not commercial presses, like they're commercial but not like olive oil, like the commercial stuff that you, that most people, get their olive oil from. So you can imagine so if my cousin Tasso, who's an electrician, is, he's working on the house today with his brother Costa, and they haven't got to their olives yet.

George Stroumboulis: 1:15:08

Right.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:15:09

But they're going to farm. So the electricist farming, the pharmacist the corner goes and farms for olives and you have an entire country and economy of these really half-assed farmers. But it keeps the food source pure Absolutely, which you would never have. Can you imagine, like in orange county, if everybody produced their own food right? So, like, like the pharmacist said, look, I gotta you know.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:15:42

Uh, at cvs goes, I've gotta get to my avocado trees and you know, I gotta get to my almonds, I gotta do. And when we were kids and we were comparing north america versus greece, greece always seemed so ass backwards, right. And yet it's like by accident it's figured out that you.

George Stroumboulis: 1:16:05

It's hard to monopolize that now yeah, that's a good point, right, that's a really good point you still see food here, that's actually food. They're trying to change that with everything slowly, but you're absolutely right, there was, uh, summertime. I'm at the mandarin oriental with my family just grabbing lunch. The waiter shout out dimitri, we're talking, he's bringing us pizza or whatever. And where are you from? I'm from. Where are you from? Well, my family kalamata, best olives in the world, blah, blah, blah. Oh yeah, what about? Uh, uh, honey, melly, I go.

George Stroumboulis: 1:16:42

Yeah, we have that too, man, the best in the world right, just whatever goes, wait, he goes, goes to his car parking lot, comes, comes back he has his own jar. This is the waiter at a very nice, expensive. He goes, try this and tell me what you think, and the guy gives it to me. I remember taking it back. I'm like the pride. This guy's a waiter at a five-star resort. He was talking about this. And then he's telling me about his father and his grandmother. Do this, like that's Greece man, like it was just such a cool moment. Yeah, like he got fired later. No, I'm joking.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:17:14

No, it's totally that. That's. That is greece in a nutshell. This, this, uh, this is a very special country and the areas that farm are connected, you know, to source in such a unique and profound way, right, and the sad part is that you know we're here in a a unique and profound way, right? And the sad part is that you know we're here in Athens and everybody leaves the villages to come to the city to chase a life, to ultimately get to a quality of life that is almost inherent in the village. You know, absolutely inherent in the village. You know, and um and connect, connecting to food.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:17:57

Like I used to think my grandfather's house was, so poverty which it was an outhouse, yeah, same, but it had us a pomegranate tree on the property and an orange tree and an almond tree and a lemon tree and a fig tree and chickens running around and milk from the goats hanging making cheese, and I thought that that was impoverished and can you imagine, like I can't imagine, a better definition of wealth and it's attainable and livable, and yet we're on a treadmill chasing things and a quality of life that if we just took a step back you could see that it still exists and exists here. Yeah, you know, and most people are becoming blind to it because again they've fallen into the. You know the Californication of what life actually should be.

George Stroumboulis: 1:19:07

Absolutely, and that's why you and your brother need your own tv series documentary, not joking. So last year, the first year since your father passed, you and your brother come back and you're like, all right, guys, we're gonna do this right, and you know what? We're gonna give daily updates on trials, tribulations, the shit that we were fed today, right, and I'm telling you, like my sister and I would be like, did you see steve's update today? No, what's going on? Like, I'm not even saying it, like it was just it was.

George Stroumboulis: 1:19:35

So, first of all, it was magical, right, because, yeah, right, I love my father, I'm very close with my father, as are you. So like I see that dynamic on, just like so much respect for your dad, right, so you have that aspect. But it was also comical because, like you guys are figuring it out and you're like I didn't know this. And then the Sunday, like there were so many elements to it where I'm like that's such a show, and it's not just for Greeks outside to watch this, this is anyone that has some sort of immigrant family. There's some sort of farming element related to every country, whether you're from El Salvador or Italy or wherever it is. I genuinely think, oh, and you guys are both business professionals. Doctors have careers and you said you know what? We're just going to put our life on pause. It's just such a cool thing that you're doing. We need to document that.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:20:22

We should If my brother and I don't know how to blow it in the meantime.

George Stroumboulis: 1:20:25

No, but that's good TV man, we'll feed that fire too. But that's good TV man, we'll, we'll. We'll feed that fire too. Just you guys, like you know, fist the cups in the middle of it. Yeah, but it's really cool. What's a? So you're doing this now, aside from your own, like Rallis, olive oil has also won awards.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:20:42

It's not just like a hobby, like it's an amazing product it is, and my brother is sort of the most to sort of uh, like he gets most of the credit for that because he's the one that sort of tried to more commercialize it as a business. I had no interest in doing as a business, um, actually, yeah, um, and I'm not sure that I even still do. I'm more interested in having people explore that on their own in a way and find ways to source real food, the same way that I'm not interested in getting more patients for high-dose vitamin c. I'm just going to teach other doctors to do it.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:21:13

Right, it's a movement, it's not absolutely a movement and I think that if the more we do that.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:21:20

I think that you know, man, if you taste olive oil fresh from the press. There is a handful of people on planet earth that have tried real olive oil straight from the press, as it's coming out, and it's so green, it's so peppery, but amazing, and you taste it with like on a piece of orange or some bread. It's like it's so next level that you begin to realize then where the health benefits come from. No different than I went to the market in Kalamata, right, and just picked up like to make my own little snack balls for work. So I just tell you, I got almonds, walnuts, dates, nutmeg, cinnamon, some cashews all fresh, fresh, all local, so that the walnuts aren't rancid and put them in a blender with dates. So some walnuts, some almonds, some cashews ground up, the cinnamon and the nutmeg all grown locally, for dirt cheap Blend it. Add some olive oil, fresh olive oil, make my little protein balls, or whatever you want to call them, and the taste geez.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:22:34

That sounds delicious right now, man the taste is out of this world for dirt, cheap, right, and you go and buy these sort of concocted bars from food from god knows where. It doesn't even taste good, and then people like I, like I, can't even eat healthy. Of course you can't. It doesn't taste good.

George Stroumboulis: 1:22:53

And even the healthiest one is jam-packed with fructose and all these syrups.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:22:58

Yeah, and again, not very complicated. I went to this really high-end restaurant and came back from Greece. I landed on a Thursday, went out for dinner on Friday and you know, when you come back back, the jet lag and you're just like, and I'm just like barely keeping it awake for dinner. But we had, my wife had planned this dinner sort of, and we were at a really sort of high-end restaurant and known for the calamari back home in Canada, canada. So they bring it out and like, you know, how is it? I'm like, yeah, you know. So three days before I'd been at the market, the calamari had come out of the ocean, took it to my mom's house, all of what we had pressed. That night the lemon was from her tree. Jesus, there is no comparison. Like there is no comparison, and I'm not a chef.

George Stroumboulis: 1:23:48

But these are the things the older you get, the more you appreciate. We haven't even talked about water.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:23:52

And I'm not a chef, but these are the things the older you get, the more you appreciate. We haven't even talked about water and to that point it cost a fortune in that restaurant. It was dirt cheap here and top quality Straight out of the water. Yeah, pressed that night the olive oil was pressed that night the lemon was from the tree right.

George Stroumboulis: 1:24:12

So yeah, I mean. And then water, yeah, on top of that, just the water and grease it's, it's just high in minerals. You know it's pricing is standard, it's set by the government so you can't charge more than 50 cents if you're buying the small one right or yeah, or euro for the yeah, and back home, like I've become a water style. Actually, I would love to ask your opinion on this. Just water in general. Uh, the little research I've done and what I've heard is purified water is just horrible for you. Is this accurate?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:24:36

When you say purified, what do you mean?

George Stroumboulis: 1:24:37

Purified of, just like a Dasani purified water that is basically stripped of all minerals and nutrients.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:24:44

Yeah, like reverse osmosis generally. Yeah, just purified Because you've lost the minerals.

George Stroumboulis: 1:24:48

Lost versus like a mineral water. So a lot of the airports I go to it's like Aquafina or it's Dasani. I'm like I'd rather not even drink water if it's doing that, but grease by default is just has so many things. Let me ask you just like final comments Where's Dr Steve Rallis going in the next decade, 20 years?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:25:15

Like what's your legacy when? Where are you going? I think research and education. Um for sure you reach a partner practice where you need to inform other people, to know, to teach them how to do things and also to continue to learn, because it also puts the bar on me, so that we're not sitting stagnant. You know, and I think, even in terms of from a lifestyle perspective, where I'm going is closer to here. Uh, less is more. Yeah, you know, I find it when you're at that little coffee shop in the village and he makes this like dynamite espresso or a macchiato. I usually order a macchiato um for two euros and he gives you the water. And you go to Starbucks back home and it's total shit, yeah. And he charged you eight bucks and asked for a tip. Yeah, by default. By default, they ask for a tip. Yeah, it's shit. Yeah, and this guy it's two. I give him 250. He doesn't want the 50 cents, right?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:26:11

He this guy, it's two. I give him two, 50. He doesn't want the 50 cents, right that. You don't see me every day. He doesn't want it, right. I'm like take it, yeah, right, um, and I want to be around people like that that really sort of take pride in every single thing that they do. Uh, we were talking with this other day we were in Java and the guy who makes his ice cream makes every single ice cream in there. It's his job and you know it takes so much pride in that.

George Stroumboulis: 1:26:34

Doesn't matter the position here. Like you see so much pride in that right there's pride in every single step along the way.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:26:41

It's not just entry level. There's no such like. That's not here. Yeah, yeah, you know, people take that yeah, yeah, you know, and people take that that step further. I find right and if you apply that to, it's like if I'm examining, if a patient has, uh, pitting edema because they're having congestive heart failure and I'm inspecting their legs and I'm checking for I put their shoes back on because they're old and they have congestive heart failure, like, and it's like the little thing versus like put your shoes back on.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:27:12

Yeah, you know, I always have getting having an ultrasound done at uh, at an imaging center, and she just like, squishes, like the cold ultrasound and just like, and then, like, threw me a towel like clean yourself off.

George Stroumboulis: 1:27:23

Yeah, you feel dirty and I'm like I didn't even do it. Yeah, and it's like where's customer service?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:27:30

You know, like in no one. I think that you you have to and this is sort of like. I know that this is off topic, but it's service is about caring and I guess, because we grew up you know being grateful and working hard, you realize that you treat, you try to treat everybody. And that comes back to the point when I get a negative review, I'm devastated, and I'm devastated because I care. So where did it go wrong?

George Stroumboulis: 1:28:00

Right, why did it go wrong? But a lot of the times these reviews are by people that are just. You know what I mean. I don't think I've ever written a negative review online. If I've ever had an issue with something and it's very few times sometimes I'll just be like it's not even worth it. It's like, hey, why don't I give that feedback in real time? I hate online reviews. It drives me nuts. Personally, like you, you have someone who has a restaurant and you found a hair in the food, for example. Right, not great. But like you go online and you're trying to take away money out of their pocket and ruin their image. Like there's a time and a place for it.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:28:36

But we've gotten a little keyboard happy, I think we do, and I think that it's um, yeah, and I think it takes courage and authenticity to just to reach out to the owner, the proprietor, and say what's on your mind, Absolutely, you know. Um, yeah, I agree, we have become keyboard happy.

George Stroumboulis: 1:28:58

Yeah, you're not going to have negative reviews. I mean, just delete them, right, this has been awesome, man. So the links we're going to put online anywhere books are sold, we're going to go Amazon. Amazon's the main one right.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:29:11

Yeah, I think it's up on Barnes and Noble, I think it's on a bunch of different ones, but in the in um, yeah it's, it's available to a bunch, but Amazon is the main one.

George Stroumboulis: 1:29:19

The main one in the States.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:29:21

I got it off Amazon uh in the Canada, in Europe as well, and I do highly recommend anyone who's going through that, like shout out to Jane McClellan, who is a stage four cancer survivor. She wrote a book how to starve cancer and she articulates a metabolic approach to treatment of cancer. I recommend it to every single one of my cancer patients how to starve cancer, how to starve cancer. And her updated version is and kill it with ferrooptosis. But I wrote this book for our patients so that they can understand the process and anyone who's going through that, and even someone who wants to sort of just understand even IV vitamin therapy it's useful to your point. But yeah, so I appreciate you, I appreciate the shadow for the book too.

George Stroumboulis: 1:29:59

Absolutely. And last question I have for you if someone is based in Texas and you're in Toronto, for example, or someone's in New Zealand and they want to get in contact, for example, or someone's in New Zealand and they want to, get in contact.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:30:15

You can't really treat from there, right? No, but we're creating an integrative oncology arm that is going to be North American wide and hopefully global wide, and we have created a not-for-profit called Drip Cares which is going to be providing how to supply vitamin C to cancer patients at a reduced rate Nice, and it's a not-for-profit called drip cares, uh, which is going to be providing how does vitamin c to cancer patients at a reduced rate nice, and it's a not-for-profit corporation that we've started in the us and that we are getting uh clinics now coming on board to offer this to patients so that they can get uh, these type of therapies at at a reduced rate amazing what.

George Stroumboulis: 1:30:45

What does a three-month cycle typically go for? Or is that that just a loaded question?

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:30:49

No, I would say you're typically going to pay I would say $250 for an IV treatment. So, if you can imagine, it really depends on the type of IV, but that's going to be a two to three-hour treatment, typically for anywhere from 50 to 75 grams of vitamin C.

George Stroumboulis: 1:31:05

Oh, so you physically have to be there for two to three hours for this drip to do what it needs to do. Yeah, okay.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:31:10

Generally it's done twice a week. Some clinics will do three times a week. Generally we don't find much different outcomes at three times per week. Typically we'll say, because of the nature of IV vitamin C, you'll have to do 16 to 20 treatments. First try to couple it with the chemotherapy and then see if the patient's a responder, which using those metrics, and then from there you can begin to tier it and structure it depending on what the outcome of that initial trial of care is.

George Stroumboulis: 1:31:39

Gotcha, and if you're looking at two to $5,000 for a three month, yeah, it's very cheap medicine in terms of cancer treatment.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:31:46

That's what I'm saying, like, if you're really cheap medicine and that's why they typically like even mistletoe here in Germany um, is Medicare covered?

George Stroumboulis: 1:31:53

Okay.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:31:54

You know so, um, we're not there. North America, Um, but I don't think we have to be. It's it's relatively in a, it's a relatively inexpensive um therapeutic.

George Stroumboulis: 1:32:06

I feel like Mark Cuban, with his whole cost plus, might be able to uh, That'd be amazing. Right Shout out Mark. Don't know him, but I'm sure we could get to him.

Dr. Steve Rallis: 1:32:13

That'd be amazing.

George Stroumboulis: 1:32:15

Awesome, Dr Steve Rallis, you're the man dude. Thank you so much. Thanks, George. Thanks for listening to this episode of Invigorate your Business with George Stroumboulis. Please hit the subscribe and like buttons and follow me on all the main podcast streaming channels. Also, please share your comments when you can. I appreciate your help in expanding this network to a worldwide audience. Until next time, stay invigorated.

CONTENTS OF THIS VIDEO

00:00:00 Interview Introduction with Dr. Steve Rallis

00:04:00 Understanding IV Vitamin C Therapy

00:05:30 Career Path in Medicine for Dr. Rallis

00:10:20 How IV Therapies Work

00:14:20 Vitamin C: Orally Vs. IV

00:16:00 The Research Behind High-Dose Vitamin C

00:18:40 Vitamin C Tablets Have No Effect

00:23:50 Life Expectancy of Cancer Patients

00:25:22 Multiple Treatments for Cancer Needed

00:29:40 Like HIV Patients, Cancer Patients Will Live Longer

00:30:00 Systems Biological Approach to Cancer

00:38:00 Sugar Feeds Cancer

00:46:00 Metabolic Markers and Dietary Impacts

00:50:00 Insulin Drives Cancer - 3 Simple Tests

00:52:00 Fasting Resets Everything

01:02:00 Making IV Therapy Accessible with DripBar

01:09:20 Olive Oil Harvesting Legacy

01:12:40 The Greek Connection and Olive Oil Legacy

01:24:40 Drip Bar and Global IV Therapy Movement

HOW DOES VITAMIN C IV THERAPY HELP PATIENTS WITH CANCER

Vitamin C IV therapy is used as a complementary treatment in cancer care, aiming to support the immune system and enhance the effectiveness of conventional treatments like chemotherapy and radiation. Here’s how it may benefit cancer patients:

1. Selective Cytotoxicity

  • High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously (IV) can reach concentrations in the bloodstream that would be impossible to achieve through oral ingestion alone. At these high concentrations, vitamin C acts as a pro-oxidant rather than an antioxidant, producing hydrogen peroxide in the body, which can selectively damage cancer cells while leaving healthy cells largely unharmed.

2. Boosting Immune Function

  • Vitamin C is essential for immune health. It stimulates the production and function of white blood cells, which are crucial for the body’s defense against pathogens and possibly even cancer cells. A stronger immune response may help the body resist infections and other complications common in cancer patients.

3. Reducing Inflammation

  • Cancer and cancer treatments can lead to chronic inflammation, which may worsen symptoms and fatigue. Vitamin C has anti-inflammatory properties that may help reduce this inflammation, potentially alleviating some cancer-related discomfort and improving overall quality of life.

4. Enhancing Treatment Tolerance and Recovery

  • Some studies suggest that vitamin C IV therapy may help reduce the side effects of chemotherapy and radiation, such as fatigue, nausea, and toxicity. By supporting cellular health and energy production, vitamin C can help patients better tolerate treatment and recover more quickly.

5. Improving Quality of Life

  • Cancer patients often experience fatigue, pain, and reduced appetite. High-dose vitamin C therapy may help boost energy, relieve pain, and improve appetite, enhancing patients' overall well-being and resilience during treatment.

6. Possible Synergistic Effects with Other Treatments

  • Some research suggests that vitamin C may work synergistically with certain cancer treatments, potentially making them more effective. For example, it may enhance the impact of some chemotherapeutic agents or help reduce drug resistance.

7. Antioxidant Protection for Healthy Cells

  • While vitamin C acts as a pro-oxidant at high concentrations in the blood, it also functions as an antioxidant in normal tissues, protecting healthy cells from damage during oxidative stress. This dual action may help shield healthy cells from the side effects of conventional treatments.

Limitations and Considerations

  • Not a Cure: Vitamin C IV therapy is not a standalone cancer treatment. It is typically used as part of an integrative care approach to complement traditional therapies.

  • Professional Supervision: High-dose vitamin C therapy should only be administered under medical supervision to monitor side effects and potential interactions with other treatments.

While research is ongoing, many cancer patients and integrative healthcare providers find IV vitamin C therapy to be a beneficial supportive treatment that can improve quality of life and possibly aid in treatment efficacy.

WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO STAY HEALTHY

Staying healthy is about balance and consistency across key areas of your lifestyle. Here are some of the most effective habits for long-term health:

1. Nutrition: Eat a Balanced, Whole-Food Diet

  • Prioritize Fruits and Vegetables: Aim for a variety of colors to ensure you’re getting a range of nutrients and antioxidants.

  • Lean Proteins and Healthy Fats: Incorporate sources like fish, chicken, legumes, nuts, and olive oil to support muscle and heart health.

  • Limit Processed Foods and Sugars: They can contribute to weight gain, inflammation, and risk of chronic diseases.

  • Stay Hydrated: Drinking enough water is essential for digestion, circulation, and temperature regulation.

2. Exercise Regularly

  • Combine Cardio and Strength Training: Aerobic exercise benefits heart health, while strength training builds muscle and maintains bone density.

  • Aim for 150 Minutes of Activity Weekly: Moderate exercise most days of the week can improve overall fitness and longevity.

  • Include Flexibility and Balance Work: Yoga, stretching, and balance exercises help reduce injury risk and improve mobility.

3. Prioritize Sleep Quality and Consistency

  • Aim for 7–9 Hours Per Night: Quality sleep is essential for cognitive function, mood, and immune health.

  • Create a Sleep Routine: Going to bed and waking up at the same time every day helps regulate your body’s internal clock.

  • Limit Blue Light Exposure Before Bed: Reducing screen time before sleep can improve sleep quality.

4. Manage Stress Effectively

  • Practice Mindfulness or Meditation: These practices can help reduce anxiety and improve mental clarity.

  • Take Breaks Throughout the Day: Short breaks help reduce stress, especially if you incorporate light stretching or breathing exercises.

  • Stay Connected with Loved Ones: Strong social ties can enhance well-being and resilience.

5. Stay Preventive with Health Checkups

  • Schedule Regular Health Screenings: Regular visits to a healthcare provider can catch potential health issues early.

  • Stay Updated on Vaccinations: Vaccinations protect against preventable diseases and contribute to public health.

  • Monitor Key Health Metrics: Track your blood pressure, cholesterol, and other vital signs to manage risk factors.

6. Avoid Harmful Substances

  • Limit Alcohol and Quit Smoking: These are linked to numerous health risks, including heart disease and cancer.

  • Practice Safe Habits: Minimizing exposure to pollution and harmful chemicals in your environment can support long-term health.

7. Cultivate a Positive Mindset

  • Practice Gratitude: Regularly reflecting on what you’re grateful for can improve mental health and happiness.

  • Set Realistic Goals: Pursuing achievable goals and celebrating small victories can foster a sense of purpose and fulfillment.

  • Be Kind to Yourself: Accepting setbacks and practicing self-compassion are essential for emotional resilience and well-being.

Staying healthy is about consistency, moderation, and understanding that small, sustainable changes often lead to the best long-term outcomes. Balancing physical, mental, and emotional health is key to a thriving life.

WHAT ARE COMMON APPROACHES TO ATTACKING CANCER

There are several common approaches to treating and managing cancer, often involving a combination of treatments tailored to each patient’s specific type, stage, and characteristics of cancer. Here’s an overview of the primary methods:

1. Surgery

  • Goal: To remove the tumor and some surrounding tissue to ensure all cancer cells are removed.

  • Types: Includes traditional open surgery and minimally invasive options, like laparoscopic surgery.

  • Usage: Surgery is often used for solid tumors that haven’t spread significantly.

2. Chemotherapy

  • Goal: To kill or slow the growth of cancer cells using powerful drugs.

  • Types: Different chemotherapy drugs target cells at various phases of their growth cycle.

  • Usage: Used for various cancer types, especially for cancers that have spread or are in advanced stages. Often administered in cycles to allow recovery between treatments.

3. Radiation Therapy

  • Goal: To kill cancer cells or shrink tumors by damaging their DNA with high-energy rays.

  • Types: Includes external beam radiation and internal radiation (brachytherapy).

  • Usage: Often used for localized cancers; can be combined with other treatments like surgery or chemotherapy.

4. Immunotherapy

  • Goal: To enhance or restore the body’s immune system to recognize and destroy cancer cells.

  • Types: Includes immune checkpoint inhibitors, CAR T-cell therapy, and cancer vaccines.

  • Usage: Effective in treating some forms of cancer (e.g., melanoma, lung cancer), particularly those that have spread or don’t respond to other treatments.

5. Targeted Therapy

  • Goal: To specifically target molecules (often proteins) that help cancer cells grow and spread.

  • Types: Includes tyrosine kinase inhibitors, monoclonal antibodies, and hormone therapies.

  • Usage: Common for cancers with specific genetic mutations (e.g., HER2-positive breast cancer, EGFR-mutated lung cancer).

6. Hormone Therapy

  • Goal: To block or reduce the body’s hormones that fuel certain cancers.

  • Types: Includes medications that prevent hormone production or block hormone receptors.

  • Usage: Primarily for hormone-sensitive cancers like breast and prostate cancer.

7. Stem Cell Transplantation (Bone Marrow Transplant)

  • Goal: To restore healthy blood-forming stem cells after high-dose chemotherapy or radiation.

  • Types: Includes autologous (using the patient’s own cells) and allogeneic (using donor cells) transplants.

  • Usage: Often used for blood cancers like leukemia, lymphoma, and multiple myeloma.

8. Integrative and Complementary Therapies

  • Goal: To support physical, mental, and emotional well-being alongside standard treatments.

  • Examples: Includes acupuncture, meditation, IV vitamin therapies (like high-dose Vitamin C), dietary modifications, and physical therapy.

  • Usage: Often used to alleviate side effects, improve quality of life, and support overall treatment, though typically not curative on their own.

9. Precision Medicine and Genomics

  • Goal: To tailor treatment based on the genetic profile of the cancer.

  • Approach: Uses genetic tests to identify mutations in cancer cells that can guide targeted therapies.

  • Usage: Effective for patients with specific genetic mutations; part of a personalized approach to treatment.

10. Clinical Trials

  • Goal: To test new treatments, drugs, or procedures before they are approved for general use.

  • Approach: Patients may receive cutting-edge therapies not yet widely available.

  • Usage: Often an option for patients who have not responded to existing treatments, offering potential access to innovative therapies.

Combination Therapies

Many cancer treatment plans use a combination of therapies (e.g., surgery followed by chemotherapy and radiation) to improve outcomes. This multimodal approach allows doctors to target cancer cells from different angles and may increase the chance of remission.

Palliative and Supportive Care

For cancers that are advanced or incurable, palliative care is crucial. It focuses on symptom relief, comfort, and maintaining quality of life, and can be integrated alongside curative treatments.

Lifestyle and Preventive Strategies

  • Goal: To support the body’s natural defenses and reduce the risk of recurrence.

  • Approach: Healthy diet, regular exercise, stress management, and avoidance of known risk factors like smoking and excessive alcohol.

  • Usage: Can be an essential part of post-treatment life to support recovery and overall health.

Each treatment plan is highly individualized, with the oncology team determining the best approach based on the patient’s specific situation and goals.

MORE ABOUT THE EPISODE

  • IV Vitamin C: Cancer's Unexpected Companion

  • When Oranges Become Apples: Transforming Cancer Care Through IV Therapy

  • Dr. Steve Rallis reveals how intravenous vitamin C is changing the cancer treatment landscape.

  • Orange You Glad We're Talking About IV Therapy?

  • What Your Oncologist Isn't Telling You About Vitamin C

Dr. Steve Rallis shatters conventional wisdom about cancer treatment in this paradigm-shifting conversation about IV vitamin C therapy. With clarity and passion, he explains why understanding the pharmacokinetics of vitamin C changes everything - oral supplementation simply cannot achieve therapeutic blood levels, while intravenous administration transforms vitamin C from antioxidant to pro-oxidant, making it a powerful ally against cancer.

The discussion reveals how our medical approach to cancer remains trapped in an outdated infectious disease model seeking a single cure, while research clearly demonstrates cancer requires a systems biological approach. Dr. Rallis walks us through the multiple fronts of cancer treatment: starving tumor cells by manipulating metabolic pathways, reducing inflammation, supporting immune function, and addressing stem cells that conventional treatments miss entirely. These aren't theoretical concepts - they're backed by research and clinical outcomes showing dramatically improved results when patients combine standard care with integrative approaches.

Perhaps most compelling are the patient stories where individuals given months to live experienced remarkable recoveries when following comprehensive protocols. One woman's cervical cancer journey demonstrates how controlling insulin and inflammation through fasting and dietary changes made all other treatments more effective. Dr. Rallis emphasizes simple tests anyone can request - fasting insulin, sedimentation rate, and C-reactive protein - that provide crucial information about disease risk and progression.

The conversation extends beyond medicine to explore the profound connection between health and food sourcing. Drawing parallels between his medical work and experience maintaining his family's olive groves in Greece, Dr. Rallis illustrates how quality, locally-sourced food represents true wealth - a perspective increasingly lost in our modern world. His mission isn't just about treating cancer but educating patients and practitioners about a fundamentally different approach to health and healing.

Whether you're facing cancer, supporting someone who is, or simply interested in preventative health, this episode offers actionable insights that challenge conventional thinking while providing genuine hope. Connect with Dr. Rallis's research through his book "When Oranges Become Apples" and discover why the future of cancer treatment lies in addressing the whole system rather than just targeting tumor cells.

BLOG POST

In a groundbreaking conversation with Dr. Steve Rallis, an authority on intravenous vitamin C therapy and integrative oncology, we delve into the transformative potential of a systems-based approach to cancer treatment. The podcast reveals critical insights about why conventional medicine's limited approach is costing lives and how complementary therapies can dramatically improve outcomes for cancer patients.

Dr. Rallis begins by clarifying a profound misunderstanding about vitamin C therapy. Despite common belief, oral vitamin C supplements cannot reach therapeutic levels in the bloodstream, regardless of dosage. The concentration needed for therapeutic effects is around 300 micromolar, yet oral supplementation cannot exceed 220 micromolar. This pharmacokinetic reality explains why initial promising research by Linus Pauling was later dismissed when follow-up studies used oral rather than intravenous administration - a fundamental error that set cancer treatment back decades.

This revelation leads to a more comprehensive discussion about cancer's complexity. Dr. Rallis emphasizes that viewing cancer through an infectious disease model—seeking a single cure for a single cause—is fundamentally flawed. Cancer requires a systems biological approach that addresses multiple factors simultaneously: metabolism, inflammation, immune function, and genetic components. The real breakthrough comes from understanding how these elements interact, allowing practitioners to target cancer from multiple angles rather than relying solely on conventional treatments that primarily target tumor cells while ignoring cancer stem cells.

Perhaps most compelling is Dr. Rallis's explanation of how high-dose IV vitamin C works synergistically with conventional treatments. Rather than counteracting chemotherapy as many oncologists fear, properly administered IV vitamin C actually depletes cancer cells of glutathione (their primary antioxidant defense), making them more vulnerable to chemotherapy. This synergy explains why patients receiving combination therapies often experience better outcomes and fewer side effects than those receiving standard care alone.

The conversation extends beyond treatment to prevention, highlighting the critical importance of metabolic markers like fasting insulin and inflammatory indicators. Dr. Rallis emphasizes the power of fasting as a reset for immune function, noting that intermittent periods without food allow the body's natural healing mechanisms to work more effectively. The discussion about metabolism reveals how cancer cells preferentially use glucose and glutamine for fuel, explaining why dietary interventions can significantly impact cancer progression.

What makes this conversation particularly valuable is its accessibility. Dr. Rallis translates complex medical concepts into simple, understandable terms without losing scientific integrity. His anecdotes about patients who defied prognoses after implementing comprehensive protocols bring statistical realities to life, demonstrating the real-world impact of these approaches.

For anyone concerned about cancer—whether personally affected, supporting a loved one, or simply wanting to understand preventative measures—this discussion offers hope grounded in science. The message is clear: while conventional treatments have their place, the future of cancer care lies in comprehensive approaches that harness the body's innate healing capabilities alongside targeted interventions. Dr. Rallis's work represents a bridging of worlds between conventional and integrative medicine that could transform our understanding of what's possible in cancer treatment.

MORE EPISODES

Featured
VITAMIN C IV THERAPY AND CANCER CARE WITH DR. STEVE RALLIS | E049 PODCAST
VITAMIN C IV THERAPY AND CANCER CARE WITH DR. STEVE RALLIS | E049 PODCAST

George Stroumboulis sits down with Dr. Steve Rallis in Athens, Greece on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast to talk about all things health, cancer care, Vitamin C IV Therapy, his new book, olive oil production, culture and so much more.

FIFA SOCCER SPORTS AGENT WITH PASCHALIS TOUNTOURIS | E048 PODCAST
FIFA SOCCER SPORTS AGENT WITH PASCHALIS TOUNTOURIS | E048 PODCAST

George Stroumboulis sits down with Paschalis Tountouris in Athens, Greece on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast to talk about all things football, the soccer business, sports agencies, professional football players, contracts, Greek soccer, racism and so much more.

CEO COACH AND TURNAROUND EXPERT WITH WALTER SIMSON | E047 PODCAST
CEO COACH AND TURNAROUND EXPERT WITH WALTER SIMSON | E047 PODCAST

George Stroumboulis sits down with Walter Simson in Newport Beach, California on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast to talk about all things business, CEO coaching, company turnarounds, management advice, profitability and so much more.

GOING VIRAL STRATEGIES WITH TONY KARIOTIS | E046 PODCAST
GOING VIRAL STRATEGIES WITH TONY KARIOTIS | E046 PODCAST

George Stroumboulis sits down with Tony Kariotis in Athens, Greece on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast to talk about all things culture, social media, viral clips, marketing, current events in Europe and so much more.

FIRST COMPANY ACQUISITION - INTERNAL EPISODE | E045 PODCAST
FIRST COMPANY ACQUISITION - INTERNAL EPISODE | E045 PODCAST

George Stroumboulis sits down with Chris Hartswick in Washington D.C. on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast to talk about all things company acquisition, finding the right partners, advice on how to buy a new company and so much more.

STRATEGIC BRANDING GENIUS WITH PETER ECONOMIDES | E044 PODCAST
STRATEGIC BRANDING GENIUS WITH PETER ECONOMIDES | E044 PODCAST

George Stroumboulis sits down with Peter Economides in Athens, Greece on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast to talk about all things branding, marketing, creative advertising, strategy, career advice, rebranding Greece and so much more.

LUXURY LIFESTYLE INFLUENCER WITH MICHAEL MORCOS | E043 PODCAST
LUXURY LIFESTYLE INFLUENCER WITH MICHAEL MORCOS | E043 PODCAST

George Stroumboulis sits down with Michael Morcos in Athens, Greece on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast to talk about all things style, influence, fitness, travel, women, how to be a real man and so much more.

DISRUPTIVE SUPPLY CHAIN INNOVATION WITH MANISH KAPOOR | E042 PODCAST
DISRUPTIVE SUPPLY CHAIN INNOVATION WITH MANISH KAPOOR | E042 PODCAST

George Stroumboulis sits down with Manish Kapoor in Newport Beach, California on the Invigorate Your Business Podcast to talk about all things technology, disruptive innovation, global logistics, education and so much more.

George Stroumboulispodcast, stroumboulis, news, listen, invigorate your business, invigorate your business podcast, invigorate your business with george stroumboulis, podcaster, international business, podcast guest, apple podcast, spotify podcast, greece, george stroumboulis, γιώργο στρουµπούλη, doctor, steve rallis, dr steve rallis, doctor rallis, cancer care, vitamin c, iv therapy, vitamin c iv therapy, when oranges become apples, chiropractor, natural path, md, vitamin therapy, cancer treatment, cancer, chemo, radiation, anti-cancer therapy, anti-cancer, cancer claims, anti cancer, debunk cancer, cancer treatmentsComment